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it continues in a deeper level in this second term that he has. >> she also weighed in as well, what the president should do in terms of his second term, where he has room for improvement. watch. >> i know there is always a concern about the african-american community not feeling perhaps that the issues related to our community have been addressed effectively. and i think there is some room for improvement in that regard. we have to be honest with the fact that african-american, the vote community and the latino, hispanic community helped get him elected. that community, those communities have to be adequately addressed. daddy would not ignore the fact that we have some serious issues to still address disparities related to the majority culture and the black community and the latino hispanic community. >> she was a pleasure. the full interview airing at
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4:00 p.m. eastern this sunday on cnn. that is for me. brooke baldwin up next with "cnn newsroom". dramatic developments in that terror attack involving american hostages. you will hear this one man's story on how he escaped and the bomb that was strapped around his neck. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. lance armstrong confesses to doping, deceit and bullying. so what is next for this disgraced cyclist. and notre dame football star player manti te'o, his girlfriend never existed. where did this elaborate lie begin? and who is this alleged mastermind behind such a web of deception. and guess who's coming to washington this weekend? ♪ can't you see the sunshine >> beyonce, james taylor, kelly clarkson. the stars set to rock the
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capital for the 2013 presidential inauguration. happy friday. you are watching "cnn newsroom." i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with new details on that hostage situation developing in algeria. here is what we know right now. algerian state media reports 650 hostages have been freed. in fact, what you're looking at right here this is brand-new video we have gotten of some of these -- they're hugging, they're thrilled they're free. but some workers are still hiding out at the desert site. operations around the plant are reportedly still going on. and while many of the details on this situation still remain unclear, we are hearing from some of these hostages who made it through this incredible ordeal. >> very relieved.
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some of our colleagues are there at the moment. >> i feel safe at the moment. but i won't feel 100% happy until i'm back in the uk. and i see my family. my heart goes out to the guys that are still there and hopefully everyone comes home safe. at the end of the day, it is only work. no one should -- >> one of the hostages who managed to escape says the kidnappers strapped plastic explosives right around his neck. we also heard from the son of one of the men who escaped. obviously very relieved his father is safe. >> i'm just really excited. i just can't wait for him to get home.
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>> what's the first thing you'll do when you see him? >> give him a big hug. and i won't let go. >> tears from a son. you also have defense secretary leon panetta, here he is in london, giving his thoughts on the situation in algeria. >> terrorists should be on notice that they will find no sanctuary, no refuge, not in algeria, not in north africa, not anywhere. >> want to bring in jim clancy, our veteran journalist, covered conflicts all around the world. let's begin with, we keep saying this situation is so fluid, still so many details, what do we know right now? >> right now the latest that we have got, algerian press services reporting 12 foreign hostages have been killed, since
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the start of this operation. >> 12. >> but they say that's a provisional toll. it would be a low number in my estimation, and we have to still wait and see. we know some are still being held. mauritanian news services reporting there has been an office to swap hostages, the american hostages for a couple of hostages that are held right here in u.s. prisons. and one of them would be omar abdul rahman, the so-called blind sheikh who was charged in the 1993 bombing of the world trade center. he's serving a life sentence. and a woman, athea sadiki, educated in the u.s., pakistani origin, she was implicated by khalid sheikh mohammed in one way or another in the world trade center bombings, she fled the country with her children. she was arrested, she showed up in afghanistan and she wasn't prosecuted for terrorism or for bombing, she was prosecuted because she tried to kill two of the men interrogating her. >> they're talking about a possible swap, to go back to one
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point you made. there are still american hostages right now in algeria. >> foreign hostages. the situation is just so murky. it is frustrating. >> why is that? it is because we're talking about ail zwreeria and reporting this a couple of days ago, we're talking 40, and now saying 650 have been freed. why the misinformation? >> well, it is a remote site. it is a game of telephone that is going on. the details are coming out. and then we get conflicting details. second, you got the algerian government that is very, very sensitive on the subject of terrorism. it fought a brutal, with a capital b, civil war during the 1990s and 50,000 to 200,000 people were killed. violence all across the country fighting the armed islamic group and the -- another islamic group in the country. so it is very sensitive. doesn't want to negotiate at all. but we understand that it is giving in to japanese as well as american pressure and saying we're trying to talk to them. the americans and japanese are saying put the lives of the
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hostages first. >> the real question, which i know you don't have an answer to is the why. why do they do this? we talked about the fact that this facility, there were a lot of western -- >> that's your answer too. there are a lot of westerns there. money could have been -- it may have been planned for monetary purposes because a lot of people think this wasn't just put up in the last week. this was well planned over a period of time. but it was executed over the last week. and there is a lot of security forces in the area, people there to protect those workers, but obviously not enough. talk of a really fierce fire fight to touch all of this off. once again, brooke, we have to just wait to find out what actually happened. we'll get it from the hostages, i think. >> we will. jim clancy, thank you once again today. now to the confession that really the world has stopped to watch here. lance armstrong, calling himself arrogant, calling himself a bully and a jerk as he finally admitted he had taken banned substances before all seven of his tour de france wins.
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so for 13 years armstrong has been looking smack dab into that camera and into the eyes of his prosecutors, his critics, his own teammates, fans, cancer survivors, and lying. here's a reminder. >> everybody wants to know what i'm on. what am i on? i'm on my bike. >> regardless of whether or not people accuse lance armstrong of doing something, regardless of whether or not they're questioning the relationship with a doctor, we have to look at the facts. we have to. >> the questions have continued. the suspicion has continued. but the only other thing that has really continued and i think is the most alarming thing is the performance. i've not gone away. the cynics, the skeptics, i'm sorry for you. i'm sorry you can't dream big. and i'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. i said it for longer than seven years. i have never doped. how could that have happened. >> it is not that you don't
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recall? >> how many times do i have to say it? >> i'm trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> if it can't be any clearer i've never taken drugs -- >> well, now we know the facts, we know the truth in this celebrity version of a confessional. lance armstrong sat down with oprah winfrey and straight out of the gate, he admitted to everything you just heard him brazenly deny. watch. >> let's start with the questions people around the world have been waiting for you to answer. and for now i just would like a, yes, or no. >> okay. >> this whole conversation, we have a lot of time, will be about the details. yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no, was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> did you ever use any other banned substances like
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testosterone, cortisone, human growth hormone? >> yes. >> yes or no, in all seven of your tour de france victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? >> yes. >> in your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the tour de france without doping? seven times in a row. >> not in my opinion. >> one big lie that lasted 13 years. watch what armstrong said when he was asked why he did it. >> i was used to controlling everything in my life. i controlled every outcome in my life. >> you've been doing that forever. >> yeah, especially when it comes to sport. but the last thing i'll say is that now the story is so bad and so toxic, and a lot of it is
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true. >> i want you to stay with me. next hour we're looking at the confession, the psychology behind it, the legal consequences, the effects of armstrong's so-called drug cocktail and we'll speak to a former teammate. it is one hour, this is a special on the crash of an american icon. don't miss it. 3:00 eastern. coming up, new jersey governor chris christie, again, coming to the defense of the president, lashing out at the nra. plus, he is the man deadspin says perpetrated this manti te'o alleged girlfriend hoax. now cnn is talking to the father of the former high school football player. you hmmm. let's see if walmart can help you find the same look for less. okay. see? walmart has all these leading eyewear brands and styles. rockstar! really? yeah. oh, wow! oh, black frame looks good on you. yeah? you can get a complete pair starting at just -- $38. really?! and did you know that our glasses come with a free 12-month replacement guarantee? i didn't know walmart had all this. the price is impressive, the quality is too! come to walmart and see for yourself.
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is taking aim at the nra for that ad that drags the president's two children into this gun control debate. you've probably seen it. here is just ten seconds worth. >> are the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his -- >> that's just part of the ad, came out this past wednesday. republican chris christie says it hits below the belt. >> don't be dragging people's children into this. it is wrong. and i think it demeans them. and it makes them less of a valid, trusted source of information on the real issues. and to talk about the president's children or any public officer's children who have not by their own choice, but by requirement, to have protection, and to use that somehow to try to make a
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political point i think is reprehensible. >> so that's chris christie. let's talk quickly about michael bloomberg. as you probably know, the new york mayor founded mayors against illegal guns and he spoke last night with cnn's anderson cooper about the guns package that the president announced just this week. tough question here. take a listen. >> there is a school of thought of why go for -- trying to go for so much why not go for something which has more support like more sensitive background checks rather than throw in assault weapons as well. >> there are lives involved here. and if you can stop -- if you can save one life, isn't that worth trying? and i always thought that you should address issues when they're on the public's conscience, when they're being covered by the press, and you should try to do a complete job so you don't have to come back again and again and again for the same thing. >> what do you think the nra, of how they have been fighting this, just recently since the -- >> i don't think the strategy makes any sense at all.
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the other day to bring in the president's kids was just bad pr. it was also an outrage. it really was. you don't do that. >> michael bloomberg, also taking issue with the nra for the ad released on wednesday we showed you a portion of. the nra really the fore of opposition to the president's package. they say they don't quibble with the president's daughters having secret service protection. he says the ads points out that the girl's private school has top notch security which the group wants for schools all around the country. hundreds of thousands of people expected to head to washington, d.c. to watch the presidential inauguration. but only a handful of them can make the president and first lady do this. ♪ we will introduce you to some young iowans practicing for an
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breaking news here. we are getting word that former new orleans mayor ray nagin has been indicted on federal charges. you know he's the former mayor who was at the helm of the city when hurricane katrina absolutely devastated new orleans. this federal grand jury handed down the indictment today. want to let you know, we are working on getting through the deta details, going through the details on what the indictments are for. here is what i can tell you this is what we're getting from our cnn affiliate wwl in new orleans. they're reporting that there are
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21 federal corruption counts in this indictment, that includes fraud. i want to read a statement for you from the current mayor of new orleans, mayor rich landrieu after finding out about the indictment with regard to ray nagin. quote, this is a sad day for the city of new orleans. today's indictment of ray nagin alleges serious violations of the public's trust, and it goes on, public corruption cannot and will not be tolerated. as soon as we get more details, we're working on it here at cnn, we'll pass them along to you live. meantime, president obama set to join a very exclusive club next week, with members including washington, jefferson, lincoln, roosevelt, when he is nicaraguaed e inaugurated as the president of the united states. massive preparations are well under way here in the nation's capital. the whole thing kicks off tomorrow with a national day of service. chelsea clinton will be the honorary chair for that. and because january 20th, the
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inauguration day falls on a sunday this year, the official swearing in of president obama will take place in a private ceremony at the white house as it has to on a sunday. monday is the big day, folks. this all kicks off with a church service at st. john's church, just across the street from the white house. then on to the public. the swearing in here where hundreds of thousands are expected to turn out on what will be, i'm sure, a chilly washington day, from capitol hill to the national mall, pennsylvania avenue, for the inaugural parade. i will be there. i'm so excited. i'll be there in the thick of things. of course, many, many -- many, many of our cnn crews will be there as well. you can catch it here on cnn through monday. much like the halftime show at the super bowl, the opportunity to perform at a presidential inauguration really is the chance of a lifetime. and come monday, you have beyonce, kelly clarkson, james taylor, all performing in front
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of the president. no pressure. so will the 50 children and teenagers of a marching band from iowa, they'll be feeling a little bit of the pressure too. this will be their second time performing for the president at the inaugural parade. and, by the way, let me add this, this is at the president's request. emily schmidt has their story. >> reporter: in first hours of barack obama's presidency, these iowa kids gave marching orders even the new commander in chief couldn't resist. a cadence so catchy, it swept up the first family. they met the drill and drum core while courting iowans during the caucuses. four years later -- ♪ it is time for an encore. they are coming back for monday's inaugural parade. >> this is like a pretty big opportunity to do this stuff. >> reporter: the 50 members who range in age from 7 to 18 are about to have a once in a lifetime experience again. >> to be able to do it a second
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time, that means that he understood us on a personal way and it is just -- it is mesmerizing. >> reporter: it is 1,000 miles from des moines to the nation's capital. for this nonprofit group, the road looked much longer. what does it take to get from where you are to where i am? >> it is extremely difficult for us. >> reporter: cory williams leads the group. >> we don't have boosters. we basically have the state of iowa, our community, our local churches, families and friends. >> reporter: they have raised about two-thirds of the trip's $12,500 cost so far. the price tag would be four times greater, almost insurmountable without help from one of washington's most exclusive schools. >> they'll roll in here on saturday night and they'll set up camp in here. and they'll have a ball.
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>> reporter: tom met the group in 2009 and this year he's making the gymnasium their weekend home. it saves about $50,000 in hotel costs and pays priceless dividends. >> it is a privilege for us to show hospitality to a group coming a long way. and making the sacrifice to be part of this national event. >> reporter: the group says they feel like they'll be playing for friends on monday. >> we always had that kinship with the family. we work hard. we're dedicated to what we do and i think they recognize that in our kids. >> reporter: getting a second term off on a right foot which can't help but move to the beat. emily schmidt, cnn, washington. >> pretty good, huh? don't miss the special coverage of the presidential inauguration sunday and monday beginning at 9:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. for more than ten years, lance armstrong denied using performance enhancing drugs or blood doping, but in his
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interview with oprah winfrey, he confessed to just about everything. so the question is, why is he doing it right now? we're asking the man who represented the great home run hitter and admitted steroid user mark mcgwire next.
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here he is, manti te'o, this is late this morning in bradenton, florida, where he's there, he's preparing for the nfl's scouting combine, driving by here in a golf court and then he's gone. manti te'o, two days now since the shocking revelation that the girlfriend he lost never existed in the first place. two days later, the anatomy of this complex hoax is still a mystery as is te'o's role in the whole thing. here is cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: it was a hoax made all the more believable by his hushed mournful interviews, like the one he gave espn. >> i cried, i yelled, never felt that way before. this is six hours ago, i just found out my grandmother passed away and you take the love of my life. last thing she said to me was i love you. >> reporter: but manti te'o's supposed girlfriend lennay kekua
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never existed. te'o and notre dame say he was the victim of the hoax. who perpetrated it? points to a young man named ronaiah tuiasosopo. cnn obtained a yearbook photo of him when he was a senior in lancaster, california. deadspin, citing friends and relatives of tuiasosopo's, says he created the girlfriend and spread the myth online. >> they told us he's been doing the lennay kekua fake online profile for several years and he's caught other people in its trap. but that they caught on way earlier than man take tati te'o. >> reporter: we went to addresses, called numbers in southern california listed for ronaiah tuiasosopo and could not catch up with him.
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he wouldn't speak on camera, but told us the truth will all come out. god knows our character. ronaiah's uncle who gave us these pictures of him as a child told us tuiasosopo is religious, and plays in a band at his father's church. >> hard for me because i know the kid all his life, and this first time something like that. >> reporter: deadspin says tuiasosopo and te'o know each other. >> that characterization does not square with my information. but i'll let the te'os address it. >> reporter: we could not reach manti te'o, his parents or his agent for comment. tuiasosopo is a former player himself, seen here as a quarterback at antelope valley high school. he has relatives who played college and pro football. i spoke on the phone with marcus tuiasosopo, a former quarterback for the oakland raiders and new york jets.
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he said he's a distant cousin of ronaiah tuiasosopo. marcus didn't want to tape an interview. he said he can't say anything about this story, doesn't know ronaiah well, but marcus did say that he and his family know the te'o family. who is the woman depicted in social media photos as manti te'o's girlfriend? a woman we contacted, whose name we're not airing, says she realized her picture had been used for a fake facebook page for te'o's girlfriend. the woman told cnn she knows ronaiah tuiasosopo through church, but says she is shocked to know he might be involved. brian todd, cnn, washington. want to get you back to the breaking story here as we're talking about really someone who seems to have fallen from grace, former mayor of new orleans, ray nagin here, as we have learned. this indictment has been handed down, 21, 21 federal corruption counts handed down today from this grand jury. i want to bring in victor blackwell.
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i know indictment is fresh off the printer as you have been parsing through it, just a little bit. can you run down some of the counts, what he's facing? >> there are concerns here. he's been charged with bribery, accepting kickbacks, money laundering and filing false tax returns. one section here i wanted to read especially for the viewers. it says that ray nagin knowingly devised and intended to devise a scheme to defraud the city of new orleans and its citizens through a bribery kickbacks scheme where his public office would be used to benefit his personal business and to provide him with payment in the form of checks, granted inventory for his business, wire transfers, personal services, and free travel. accusations of uses of limousines and flights and a trip paid to jamaica for his entire family. so as it relates to the tax returns, this, of course, goes specifically after ray nagin, but could also involve the rest of the family because some of the personal financial details will be involved. now, this is involving two
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business men who, in exchange for paying the former mayor and his company, in turn, this indictment alleges, got millions of dollars in contracts from the city of new orleans for rebuilding after katrina. at a time when ray nagin was tasked with rebuilding his city, in 2006, said he wanted to make sure that new orleans stayed a chocolate city and rebuild it, some of the comments that made people cringe -- >> storm of the century. >> he said he would rebuild this city, this indictment alleges he was trying to fatten his own pockets and build the coffers of his family's business. 21 very serious counts and it involves two business men. one of them pleaded guilty, that happened back in june and is now cooperating with the government on this indictment. >> obvious question is where this goes next, what could happen to him if found guilty on any or all of these charges. let me read quickly, i have a statement again from the current mayor, mitch landrieu, upon learning about these 21 counts,
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he says this is a sad day for the city of new orleans, today's indictment of former mayor ray nagin alleges serious violations of the public's trust, public corruption cannot and will not be tolerated. we'll keep a close eye on developments that could happen. if you find out what could happen next, possibly getting someone just on a legal angle, right, as far as what mayor ray nagin could face, victor blackwell, for now, we appreciate it, thank you so much. >> certainly. let me move off that and back to this confession that everyone is talking about today here, lance armstrong admitting what many say they already knew, not a single one of his seven tour de france titles was a clean win. so part of this whole sit-down interview with oprah winfrey, we all watched, as straight out of the gates, armstrong admitted to everything. blood doping, testosterone, and even more. >> i view this situation as one big lie. >> so why come clean now?
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watch what he said when oprah asked. >> that's the best question. that's the most logical question. >> mm-hmm. >> i don't know i have a great answer. i will start my answer by saying that this is too late. it is too late for probably most people. and that's my fault. >> the lawyer for another long time target of steroid allegations joins me here from miami. marty here, you represented baseball's mark mcgwire, who eventually came clean. so, marty, welcome to you. just tell me how involved were you in that decision, and what were those discussions like? >> well, i really can't go into discussions with my client, but, of course, in any situation like that, you got to assess all the legal risks that might be
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prevalent because there could be charges brought, you have to look at the statute of limitations, and you have to look at the implications of an admission versus just evidence. >> can't talk about that. i think you can talk about this, though, because as we talk about lance armstrong today, and he says he never coerced anyone to break the rules is what he says, i've talked to teammates who would disagree with that, in this oprah interview, he did admit to bullying people to keep quiet. take a look. >> were you a bully? >> yeah, yeah. i was a bully. >> tell me how you were a bully. >> i was a bully in the sense that you just -- that i tried to control the narrative. and if i didn't like what somebody said, and for whatever reasons in my own head, whether i viewed that as somebody being disloyal or a friend turning on you or whatever, i tried to control that. that's a lie. they're liars. >> as an attorney, could that be
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considered witness intimidation? bullying? >> well, it depends if the person he was intimidating at the time was a witness in any proceeding. it certainly is an admission. >> an admission of bullying, of trying to make them dope or else, is that what you're saying? >> well, if that person was a witness in any proceeding, it could be an admission of intimidating them. >> okay. let me talk about your -- mark mcgwire. because we now know he really has been able to speak with such candor and authority on this whole topic of, you know, drug abuse, steroids, et cetera. the question would be then as we look at lance armstrong as we're awaiting part two of this oprah interview, would you say that he is similarly positioned as mark mcgwire is or has he so damaged his brand and believability? >> i don't think they're similarly positioned at all.
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mr. armstrong appears to be a very deliberate, calculating person who has some objective with this admission. we're not sure what it is yet. he has a number of legal issues that are awaiting him, a whistle-blower case for defrauding the federal government since the post office was his primary sponsor, potential criminal cases for possession and/or distribution of illegal drugs, perjury, positions he took in prior cases that may now be considered a fraud on the court. so i don't know what his objective was by this admission, but there seems to be some objective. >> if you were his lawyer, how would you be advising him? would you be glad he's talking? >> unless i had concluded that he had no more risk because the statute of limitations had run or for some other legal basis, i would have advised him not to make those statements. forgiveness from the public is
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not immunity. >> marty steinberg, thank you so much. attorney for baseball's mark mcgwire, thank you. want to invite all of you to join me at the top of the hour for a special hour on the crash of an american icon, lance armstrong. that are 62 and older about a great way to live a better retirement. it's called a reverse mortgage. [ male announcer ] call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. it answers questions like how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money, and more. plus, when you call now, you'll get this magnifier with l.e.d. light absolutely free. when you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, you'll learn the benefits of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you tax-free cash from the equity in your home. and here's the best part -- you still own your home. take control of your retirement today.
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this year's flu outbreak claimed the lives of nine more children, bringing that total to 29. hawaii and tennessee are the only states. look at this map. see those two white states, the only two states in the us us that have not reported widespread flu activity. more elderly americans are being hospitalized with the flu. symptoms last up to seven days for a normal flu infection. tests are under way on the body of a chicago lottery winner who police believe was poisoned. took workers a couple of hours this morning to exhume the body of 46-year-old urooj khan. he died suddenly last summer, one day after claiming his winnings from a million dollar jackpot. investigators originally thought he died of natural causes, but khan's death became a murder mystery after tests showed a deadly amount of cyanide in his system. thanks but no thanks. that's what the spouse of a lesbian lieutenant colonel told
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a support group for military spouses after they offered her a guest membership to its club. ashley broadway who we had on show the here has been really at the center of this six-week long battle with the association of bragg officer spouses after they said no to her. she wanted to be a member of their club. but she doesn't have a military spouse i.d. the club said she needed it to join. broadway, however, told me that she was denied, she believes, because she's gay and now finds an offer of a guest membership and, i'm quoting her, a slap in the face. i talked to ashley last week, asked her what made her want to join in the first place. >> you know, i would like to be a part of the group so that they can see that my family is no different than their family. we go through the same thing. our loved ones are deployed. we have times of separation. our kids miss their parent, whether their mom or their father. >> broadway told us today that her wife is about to deliver
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their second child any day now. winter storm relief, brutal winter storm system left the u.s. but not without leaving serious damage and snow here across the south and east coast. last night, take a look for yourself. look at this landslide. this happened yesterday. the great smoky mountains national park, roads, gone. a storm also caused major flooding in the south, which forced a lot of people in places including louisiana to have to leave their homes. and a little too close for comfort for me. with a great white shark. watch. >> oh, my god. he's starting to get a bit more -- >> that was close. >> can we start the engine? >> yeah, let's start that engine really, really quickly. two men fishing off australia when this 13-foot shark nudged their boat. the shark circled for 40 minutes. if you're wondering how this whole thing ended, the fishermen powered up the motor and took off when they had enough of the
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shark. 16 bedrooms, 35 bathrooms and underground bunker. not too bad for a family of four. we're talking about some prime washington real estate at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, the white house. president obama and his family get a rent free deal to live there for the next four years. you could say every american taxpayer owns just a little piece of the white house. felicia taylor, i wanted to talk to you about this. i saw this article in zillow had calculated this morning, just having fun, the white house isn't for sale. in terms of dollars and cents, if someone wanted to buy the white house what do you think it would be worth? >> about a cool $295 million. not such a big price tag. >> please. >> you certainly make enough to afford that, i know. anyway, zillow used public data and recent sales to figure it out. it buys you 50,000 square feet, 132 rooms, and three kitchens because one isn't enough.
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you got a pool, a movie theater, a bowling alley, that was because of the nixens, they asked for that one, a jogging track, which bill clinton added. the value of the white house got up, though, since obama came into town, up about 7% since 2009 and that does mirror the housing market, which peaked in 2006. and then fell before recovering. so, you know, not bad. >> not bad. not bad. hey, look, if we don't have that chump change to buy it, what about if someone wanted to rent this house? >> oh, we're still talking about not chump change here. that's $1.75 million per month. >> per month? >> per month. >> no problem. >> yeah, right. can you imagine $1.75 million a month. you got a lot of time. obamas do live there rent free, but they have to pay for their own food and incidentals. i'm amazed that $1.75 million doesn't buy the food. anyway, nancy reagan, when she was there a month after moving into the white house, said she
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was a little surprised when the usher sent up a bill for their food. quote, nobody told us that the president and his wife are charged for every meal as well as dry cleaning, toothpaste, and other toiletries. so, ronald reagan used to call it like an eight-star hotel because you had to pay for the amenities. >> i guess right now they have a garden, right? michelle obama can get fresh veggies and fruits out of the backyard. >> but she wasn't the first one to do that. that actually happened under -- i'll tell you exactly. wait, wait, wait, oh, no. john adams. john adams was the first person to put in the vegetable guarden. >> gardening back in the day. there you go. i like that factoid. >> i thought it was michelle. >> felicia taylor, thank you so much. as we're talking white house, we're talking white house just because of the inauguration this upcoming monday. today we're looking beyond the fun and festivities and breaking down the challenges the president will face in his final term. coming up, a look at one of his biggest jobs. but first, next month we will begin introducing you to a
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new group of amazing people. you know them as our cnn heroes. this will be for 2013. want you to first take a look at the young woman from nepal who you named the 2012 cnn hero of the year. >> for 29-year-old bassnet, 2013 begins on a high note. bassnet was named cnn hero of the year for her work providing a home for children of incarcerated parents in nepal. i sat down with her right after the big moment. how do you feel? you just won. >> i think i'm dreaming. it is a big honor for me. i would never forget this night in my life. >> reporter: what was going through your mind when you were walking up on stage. >> my dream come true. thank you so much. i still -- mama is going to take you out from the prison and you're coming to my place. and this is for my children. and thank you so much, for everyone who believed in my
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dream. >> reporter: the kids call you -- >> mom, yes. >> reporter: what does that mean to you when you hear that? >> it means a lot to me. the reality i know that i'm not their original mother. but i'm their so-called mother to give them a better life and better education. that's for sure. >> reporter: what was the inspiration? >> i'm very fortunate to be brought up in the family that i was. i had good parents. some children have parents who did mistake and are suffering and i should give it to them. >> reporter: some of your kids were watching, what did you want to say to them? >> your mama did it and i'm sure you're proud of whatever i'm doing. >> reporter: i'm proud of you too. >> thank you, anderson. thank you. ♪ ♪
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difficult situation. and to underscore, again, that the utmost care must be taken to preserve innocent life. we are staying in close touch with our algerian partners and working with affected nations around the world to end this crisis. >> and, again that was secretary of state hillary clinton still watching. there is a lot of information coming out of algeria, like a game of telephone, like our correspondent was telling me a moment ago, still a number of americans still there, still missing, still being held against their will. now to this, to make his point about invasive snakes, florida senator bill nelson once brought the skin from a 16-foot python to a senate committee hearing. now he's out to hunt one for himself. here flo is? are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay,
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from a brand-new hairstyle and twitter account for first lady, all the way to florida, we're talking about something you know i hate talking about, pythons here where a senator apparently is hunting them. we have all the best political news for you might have missed here in political pop. shannon travis, michelle obama, big news, everyone is talking about the fact that, can't believe this, she has bangs. >> she has bangs and it came on her birthday, brooke. are you going to try that out, bangs yourself? >> you know, i have options some
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days. >> maybe so. this is all part of the first lady's birthday was yesterday, happy birthday, michelle obama, she turned 49. and part of the gift apparently was a brand-new twitter account that is @flotus, first lady of the united states. we're told that she has two accounts, the @michelleobama, from her campaign days, that's now managed by the democratic national committee and this new one will be the primary place where people can find out updates about her official duties as first lady and as you just mentioned, one of the first pics to come out of this, first lady with bangs that everybody is talking about. take a look at that, brooke. >> there she is. >> a lot of people are talking about it. >> she can do her hair however she wants to. a, we would still be talking about it, because she's first lady. b, she looks amazing. >> yep. >> she would look amazing.
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>> yep. >> moving on from the flotus to a senator in florida. i was talking to john saturday zarrella, he's sometimes on the space beat or python beat, they have been hunting python because they're all up in the everglades. now we have this florida senator, bill nelson, trying to find some pythons as well apparently. >> yeah. he went hunting for snakes yesterday. pythons, i didn't realize it, st such a huge problem in the florida everglades. estimates between tens or hundreds of thousands out there. can be pretty destructive. senator bill nelson went hunting for pythons yesterday because this san issue he cares about. we're told from local reports that he actually didn't catch any. brooke? >> empty handed. i would be, like, okay with me. i'll see you later. i'll see you in washington for the inauguration. after years of deceit, lance
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armstrong confesses to it all. the doping, the lying, the cheating. coming up, our special hour on the crash of an american icon. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one! yeah, this is pretty good. [ male announcer ] over a third of a day's fiber. fiber one. but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth!
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for years, he trashed his critics and sued his accusers. lance armstrong's confession and what he says tonight could actually make things worse. i'm brooke baldwin with a special hour on the crash of an
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american icon. will lance armstrong's confession land him in a legal battle? we'll look at lawsuits, possible criminal charges, and how much he could have to pay up. plus the sport of cycling and doping. how many athletes went along with it? former teammate of armstrong's will join me live with an insider look on the pressure to juice. and how exactly did armstrong dope? what was he using? we'll take a close look at the drugs and the damage it can do to the body of any athlete. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. it is the confession that the world stopped to watch. lance armstrong calling himself arrogant, calling himself a bully and a jerk, as he finally admitted he had taken these banned substances before all seven of his tour de france wins. so for 13 years, armstrong has
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been looking right into the camera, right into the eyes of prosecutors, critics, teammates, fans, cancer survivors, and lying. >> everybody wants to know what i'm on. what am i on? i'm on my bike. >> regardless of whether or not people accuse lance armstrong of doing something, regardless of whether or not they're questioning the relationship with a doctor, we have to look at the facts. we have to. the questions have continued. the suspicion has continued. but the only other thing that has really continued and think is the most alarming thing is the per the performance. i've not gone away. the sinnics and skeptics, i'm sorry for you, i'm sorry you can't dream big and believe in miracles. i said it for seven years, i have not doped. how many times do i have to say it? >> i'm trying to make sure your
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testimony is clear. >> if it can't be any clearer, i haven't taken any drugs. >> now we know the facts, we know the truth in this confessional interview here, sat down with the oprah winfrey here. straight out of the gates, she asked him and he admitted to everything you just heard him brazenly deny. let's start with the questions that people around the world have been waiting for you to answer. and for now i would like a yes or a no. >> okay. >> okay. this whole conversation, we have a lot of time, will be about the details. yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no, was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> did you ever use any other banned substances like
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testosterone, cortisone or human growth hormone? >> yes. >> yes or no, in all seven of your tour de france victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? >> yes. >> in your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the tour de france without doping? seven times in a row. >> not in my opinion. >> one big lie that lasted 13 years, telling oprah he with do anything and take out anyone who dared to stand in his way. >> i think this just ruthless desire to win, win at all costs, truly, that's -- serves me well on the bike, served me well during the disease, but the level that it went to for whatever reason is a flaw.
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and then that defiance, that attitude that arrogance, you cannot deny it. you watch that clip, that's an arrogant person. i look at that and go -- look at this arrogant -- i say that today. that's not good. >> the world was watching there. but there was one person in particular here who was watching as well and she was siege ieeth. her name is betsy andreu, among the people armstrong admitted he trampled on to defend his own lie. she is the wife of frankie andreu, armstrong's ex-friend, former teammate on the postal team. she testified in this lawsuit deposition about this 1996 hospital room visit in which she says she heard armstrong admit to this doctor to taking five performance-enhancing drugs. oprah winfrey asked him about this and here is what he told her. >> was betsy telling the truth
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about the indiana hospital? overhearing you in 1996? >> i'm not going to take that on and i'm laying down on that one. >> was betsy lying? >> i'm just not -- i'm going to lay that one down. she asked me and i asked her not to talk about the details of the call, it was a confidential, personal conversation. >> well, you know did talk to betsy andreu, anderson cooper, minutes after she watched that exchange with oprah. >> betsy, just, first of all, your impressions on what you heard tonight. >> i'm really disappointed. he owed it to me, you owed it to me, lance, and you dropped the ball after what you've done to me, what you've done to my family, and you couldn't own up to it. and now we're supposed to believe you? you have one chance at the truth. this is it. if he's not going to tell the
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truth, if he can't say, yes, the hospital room happened, then how are we to believe everything else he's saying? we're already questioning him. >> you were in a hospital room and you heard lance armstrong tell doctors about all the drugs that he took. >> yeah, yeah. it happened. >> and he denied it happened up and down. and this was a key part of a lawsuit that he ended up winning. >> yeah, that he settled with. but if the hospital room didn't happen, just say it didn't happen. but he won't do it, because it did happen. and if this is his way of saying -- i justify don't want to go there, okay, we'll give it to her, that's not good enough. that is not being transparent. that is not being completely honest. that's skirting the issue. i want to believe that lance wants to come clean. but this is giving me an indication that i can't. this is a guy who used to be my
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friend, who decimated me, he could have come clean. he owed it to me. he owes it to the sport that he destroyed. and don't -- when he says he doesn't like the uci, that's a bunch of crap. he had the uci in his back pocket. lance wasn't a leader? that's a bunch of crap. because he owned the team. >> let me explain what the uci is. uci stands for the international cycling union. this is the same organization that recently stripped lance armstrong of all seven of his tour de france titles for doping. and betsy andreu, sitting with anderson, is reacting to this part of armstrong's confession. >> look, i was the leader of the team. and the leader of any team leads by example, and there was never a direct order or a directive to say you have to do this if you want to do the tour, if you want to be on the team. that never happened.
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it was a competitive time. we were all grown men. we all made our choices. >> want to turn now to psychologist paula bloom. what an interview, right? i know. deep breath. we watched. you watched. to betsy andreu's point and all the people talking today, was this a full confession? >> the word full, i wouldn't apply that to this at all. full of some things, we would apply to him, right? so painful to watch her, somebody who -- she looks like somebody who has been traumatized. i work with people who have been abused as children and it is the same kind of trauma, here is somebody who doesn't fully -- it was funny it was on own, right? how much did he really own of this? i wouldn't call it a full confession at all. >> let's get to the question that, you know, he really didn't seem to answer here, and that being why now? why is he confessing now? take a listen. >> that's the best question. that's the most logical
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question. i don't know that i have a great answer. will start my answer by saying that this is too late. it is too late for probably most people. and that's my fault. >> it is a confession. he's lied for years and years. you don't know lance personally. we can't talk about his personal case, but in dealing with, let's say, a pathological liar, what makes a liar come clean? >> somebody who said -- he said in the interview, he's somebody who tried to control all aspects of things. the way we do anything is the way we do everything. i imagine that's how he's going to be approaching this interview. he wants to control how people perceive him, right? >> he thinks a confession is his way of controlling his life? >> or maybe some way to do some control, alt, delete, rebottot some things. >> stay with me. armstrong lied under oath about doping, even sued people who
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accused him of it. one of the questions we have is what kind of legal trouble will he face now that he has confessed. we have much more on lance armstrong's confession in this special hour. mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004. the battle of bataan, 1942. [ all ] fort benning, georgia, in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto-insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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lance armstrong comes clean, leaving a path of lies and lawsuits behind him. but his decade of denial could cost him more than his reputation. his televised admission with oprah, confessing to doping and wrongly accusing others of lying opens him to up kinds of potential lawsuits here. >> you're suing people and you
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know that they're telling the truth. what is that? >> that's -- it's a major flaw. and it's a guy who expected to get whatever he wanted and to control every outcome. >> want to bring in cnn legal analyst sunny hostin. first, i want to begin with what seems look a biggie, this whistle-blower lawsuit we have been talking about. this is the justice department's involved, but neither the doj nor this former teammate of his, floyd landis, acknowledged the suit even exists. why? >> yeah. well, whistle-blower lawsuits by law are typically sealed, brooke, for at least 60 days, a minimum of 60 days, and they usually remain sealed during the investigation. and that's for good reason. it protects the investigation and, of course, it protects the whistle-blower. it is very difficult as you would imagine in many
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circumstances for the whistle-blower to come forward. i will say this, the daily news has released what they purport to be the lawsuit. it is about 33 pages, i have seen a copy. i'm not comfortable sharing it with our audience, because, again, we don't know the posture of the investigation. and typically the cases are at stake. what is reportedly at stake is the proceeds basically of this sponsorship, between the u.s. postal service and this team. the u.s. postal service invested about $30 million in sponsorship money. these false claim acts cases are basically seeking trouble damages. you're talking really three times, about $30 million. and floyd landis in particular could gain about 25% of any recovery. now, the justice department with its formidable resources can join that kind of lawsuit, right? they can intervene and sort of take the ball and start running with it. given this confession that he just gave to oprah, it tells me
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that the government will likely get involved, try to retrieve some of that money, and, you know, his legal trouble is just exploding because you not only have that, you have that other federal investigation that was sort of put to rest in february of 2012. we don't even know why. >> the 20-month criminal investigation, right? so it was dropped, right? it was dropped in february as you point out. we have a little sound because this is how armstrong described that moment. here it was. >> you're suing people and you know that they're telling the truth. what is that? >> it's -- it's a major flaw. and it's a guy who expected to get whatever he wanted and to control every outcome. >> when the department of justice just dropped that case and nobody knows why, i have to ask you, did you have any influence in that whatsoever?
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>> no. none. >> none. when they dropped that case -- >> that's very difficult to influence. >> i have to ask. okay. when they dropped the case, did you think now, finally over, done, victory? >> that's hard to define victory, but i thought i was out of the woods. >> out of the woods. the wolves had left the door. >> those are serious wolves. >> might the wolves return now that's made this public admission? could the feds reopen the case? >> i think it certainly is possible. we don't know why the federal government stopped investigating this case. we don't know why the federal government didn't bring a suit after -- bring criminal charges after the investigation. so perhaps the missing link was a confession, perhaps it was the involvement, the details of his involvement. now that the government has that, maybe they will pick that up. when the government drops an
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investigation, you don't know why. it doesn't ever really mean it can't be resumed. >> reopened. sunny hostin, thank you. paula bloom, you're listening. your thoughts. >> this is what makes it very difficult to trust what he has to say. there is all these far reaching implications for anything he says now. this isn't done. you have any kind of legal thing there are times where he's very deliberate in his speech and times he was a little more fumblingy and thie iny and tryi. >> lance armstrong driven to win, talks a lot about winning and victory, winning no matter what. we're going to talk to paula bloom about what that drive is really to be absolutely pitch perfect. also, a former teammate, tyler hamilton, what does he think of this big interview, this big confession? you'll hear from him with piers morgan coming up. [ male announcer ] ok, here's the way the system works.
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a lot of great questions here. keep tweeting me @brookeb at cnn. lance armstrong confesses to doping. while he was doping, he didn't think he was cheating, he says. >> i had this exercise, kipt he i kept hearing, i'm a cheat, i'm a cheat, i'm a cheater. i went and looked up -- i looked up the definition of cheat. >> yes. >> and the definition of cheat is to gain an advantage on a rival or foe, you know, they
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don't have or that -- i didn't view it that way. i viewed it as -- as a level playing field. >> psychologist paula bloom sitting here with me in the studio. that's a deep sigh. my goodness, paula bloom. it is like you live and think about someone who would have common sense to do right, to do wrong. and then it seems to be this theme of this pursuit of perfection lance armstrong's life. >> right. not to lessen the blame on him by any means, but i think we live in this culture of it is not good enough to be good enough. you need to be the best. every parent wants their kid to be in the gifted program. everybody thinks to be worthwhile, you have to be the best. >> like an honor student bumper sticker. >> my dog is smarter than your dog. i love my kids, but i don't have that bumper sticker. but this idea that you have to be the best. i have to say, there was something i thought was inconsistent and one of the pieces you played. he says that this was about
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winning. he would do anything to win. how does suing people for slandering you or you pretend that they're lying, how does that help you win on the bicycle? i don't understand that. >> it helps win when it comes to his ego, his reputation, his image. >> this vision of i'm an athlete all about winning. he says something i think is really important, which he's taken this characteristic in himself, his perseverance and it helped him with cancer. that's amazing, to take something, transform pain into power. what he's done with his organization. all of that is wonderful. those are some things we can learn from this. but to suggest that it was just about winning, winning a race, it is so much more than that. >> let me talk about this comment that has gotten a lot of people talking. you want to talk about this. we're focusing here on armstrong and played clips at the top of the show from betsy andreu, the wife of this ex-teammate, who said armstrong decimated her and her family when she testified that she heard him admit to doping taking these drugs, she says he heard him doing in front
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of doctors. here is what armstrong said and then you'll hear her reaction. >> i said, listen, i called you crazy, i called you a -- i called you all these things, but i never called you fat. >> that's one of the things -- >> she said she thought i said you fat crazy -- i said, i never said you were fat. >> putting up with that, how would you act? sweet as apple pie? >> you're cringing. you're cringing when you're watching him. >> oh, my gosh. he's saying, hey, i never called you fat. i never called you fat. >> this is what i heard. maybe what i heard is, i've doped, i've cheated, i've lied, i've bullied, i've even called you the b word, but even i wouldn't sink so low to call you fat. and so as i was listening to this yesterday, i was thinking about that's the thing you chose to set the record straight about? >> he's fixating on the fat comment. >> right. then it got me thinking about,
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is it so bad to call someone that, so bad to be that, that was a psychologist. and then the woman who is myself who struggled with weight issues, i'm like, i would want the record straight on that. but it is just fascinating that that would be -- >> what he fixated on. paula bloom, stand by. we'll talk here again about the fact that lance armstrong has admitted a lot of things here in this oprah interview, but he pushed back on claims that he bullied his teammates into doping. they're saying they were bullied. we're going to ask one of his former teammates if that was true. [ dad ] find it? ya. alright, another one just like that. right in the old bucket. good toss! see that's much better! that was good. you had your shoulder pointed, you kept your eyes on your target. let's do it again -- watch me. just like that one... [ male announcer ] the durability of the volkswagen passat. pass down something he will be grateful for.
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lance armstrong destroyed to himself as a jerk and a bully in this explosive interview, his confession with oprah winfrey. he admitted yielding great power in the world of cycling but pushed back on claims he bullied his teammates into doping. here he was. >> look, i was the leader of the team. and the leader of any team leads by example and there was never a direct order or a directive to say you have to do this, if you want to do the tour, if you want to be on the team. that never happened. it was a competitive time. we were all grown men. we all made our choices. >> oprah winfrey, she pushed him further, asking him the question straight out. >> were you a bully? >> yeah, yeah. i was a bully. >> tell me how you were a bully. >> i was a bully in the sense that -- that i tried to control
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the narrative. and if i didn't like what somebody said and for whatever reasons in my own head, whether i viewed that as somebody being disloyal or a friend turning on you or whatever, i tried to control that. that's a lie. they're liars. >> now, according to betsy andreu, the wife again of armstrong's ex-teammate frankie andreu, there was much more to armstrong's bullying than, quote, controlling a narrative as he just explained. she says what happened when her husband didn't want to dope. >> he would say that he was -- he wasn't a general manager, he never forced people to do it, he never directed anybody to do it, to take dope. >> okay, then why did -- why did they make sure frankie's contract wasn't renewed in 2000 when he wanted frankie to see ferrari and frankie said, no, no, no, no. frankie rode the 2000 tour clean. had the vast majority of his career was clean. what was his reward? he didn't get compensated for
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that tour win. and he lost his job and his career was derailed. that's -- that's going up against lance armstrong. >> want to bring someone in who knows about this whole pressure to dope, the culture here. scott mercy, a former member of the u.s. postal service cycling team who left it because he said he didn't want to take performance-enhancing drugs and just to be clear, this was a year before armstrong joined the team. so, scott, welcome to you. i would ask you straight up if armstrong was a bully, if you had ridden with him, but let me begin with this. with this culture, perhaps, of doping, were you ever tempted? >> of course i was tempted. when i look back, i'll always wonder where could i have finished up, you know, you're human, you wonder if you made the right decision. what i want to talk about is clean athletes and making a choice. we did have a choice. i did not feel pressure to dope. i just felt that if i continued racing, i probably would do the
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same thing everyone else did. >> i raced with armstrong, i raced clean, how is he leveling the playing field against me? i know a lot of clean racers. you watch the interview, what was your reaction to this? would you call it a mea culpa, a confession last night? >> he certainly admitted he used per for ans formance performance-enhancing drugs. you have to remember also, different people react differently to different types of drugs. so it is not necessarily true that the athletes would have been the same or the results would have been the same. >> you did ride with him in 1992, correct? >> we rode together in '92 and '94 on the world team. ironically you hear how much of a bully he is. my personal experiences with him were positive. he defended me in a number of races against some spaniards. obviously you read some horrible things about him, but my personal experiences were fine. >> i talked to a teammate earlier in the week and he said absolutely there was a pressure to dope. and if you didn't dope, armstrong would sort of want to
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push you out, push you off the team. so you're saying that isn't the case, at least in your relationship with him. >> again, we weren't teammates together on the u.s. postal service, so i can't comment on that. but when i can comment on is how you do things matter, how you play the game matters, you have that winning at all cost mentality, and i think hopefully we're seeing a cultural shift in america that integrity and ethics are coming back to the forefront. >> i'm glad you brought that up. because, again, here you are, you choose -- you take the higher road. you choose not to cheat. you choose not to dope. you saw armstrong go on to win, right, title after title, the seven tour de france bronze olympic medal, all the sponsors, the money. and now, though, you're finally being recognized, right, for competing honorably. >> yeah, and, you know, it is very satisfying, but i think that we see it whether it is in business or academics, i think people are tired of lying and cheating and stealing. nobody got elected to the baseball hall of fame this year.
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and really what i'm trying to say is how you compose yourself is important. and it will come back later on in your life. just do what you think is right, and you'll never go wrong. >> awesome message. scott, thank you. thank you so much. >> a pleasure, thank you. cyclist tyler hamilton, he was on the u.s. postal service team with lance armstrong. piers morgan just sat down with him today. piers is going to join me right after this quick break. with multiple lacerations to the wing and a fractured beak. surgery was successful, but he will be in a cast until it is fully healed, possibly several months. so, if the duck isn't able to work, how will he pay for his living expenses? aflac. like his rent and car payments? aflac. what about gas and groceries? aflac. cell phone? aflac, but i doubt he'll be using his phone for quite a while cause like i said, he has a fractured beak. [ male announcer ] send the aflac duck a get-well card at fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast?
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armstrong coming clean gives vindication to all those people whose reputations he destroyed because they told what they now know is the truth. that includes the co-author of this book here, called "the
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secret race." tyler hamilton wrote this book, rode with armstrong in three races. and oprah winfrey talked about hamilton in that interview last night. >> tyler hamilton also said there would be times when -- when you all were injecting epo in a camper or a tent and right outside the fans would be outside and you all would be dumping the syringes in coke cans. is that true? >> i didn't read tyler's book. i don't necessarily remember that, but i'm certainly not going to say that's a lie, that's not true. >> joining me now, piers morgan, just wrapped an interview with tyler hamilton. before we chat, let me play a clip here, hamilton explains how this should not be the end for confessions for armstrong. here he was. >> last night was -- on oprah, the first step. so, you know, pat on your back for that, congratulations, good
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for you for doing that. just a small step. but the first step is the hardest. now you have to continue. you need to drbt ne-- the next going and testifying in front of usada and the world anti-doping association and doing the right thing, telling the truth, naming names. you know, it is not pleasant, but, you know, he needs to do it. he needs to do it. there are other people involved in this whole fiasco. >> so he says this is the start, piers, the pat on the back. when he says name names. what does he mean by that? >> i'm not entirely sure. a cryptic comment by tyler hamilton. he clearly i think believes that lance armstrong has more that he can say. i was struck by tyler's acceptance of armstrong had finally done. there was no trace of bitterness or anger in my interview with him. which there could have been. because armstrong has torn a shred off people like tyler hamilton for years, cla years,
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these guys know nothing, they smear me with their lies and we discover all of it is true. in many ways tyler hamilton and the others who came forward after they were caught, let as be honest, they all got caught, they were open and honest and they wanted the boss, the general, the leader of the pack to do the same. he finally has. >> you know, in talking to oprah last night, she asked him, part of the whole yes/no, she asked if he had doped for all seven tour de france races, he said yes. and i'm just curious, did tyler hamilton say, you know, had armstrong not done the drugs and the doping, does he think he would have won? >> no, he doesn't. he said, look, lance armstrong was a great cyclist, no way he would have won seven tour de frances without the doping. even if -- even if all the cyclists were on the same level. in other words, if none of them were doping, he still doesn't think that lance armstrong would have won. what he did say about armstrong was that although tyler said he himself wanted to win, he said
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armstrong had to win. and that was the difference. that's the difference you hear a lot about great champions, but, of course, not all great champions cheat. and, you know, we can all mince around the words here about lance armstrong, but i don't think anybody who saw last night's brilliant interview with oprah, by the way, could not conclude he is now the greatest cheat in the history of sport and he shacmed his sport, shame his country and himself. here was a guy who was a true icon. >> i just keep thinking, after so many years of telling the same story, how do you look at yourself in the mirror, piers morgan. thank you. we'll be watching tonight. want to add in addition to tyler hamilton, a guest on piers morgan tonight, piers talking to actor charlie sheen who gives his two cents on this whole armstrong scandal, a pretty incredible interview. we'll be watching piers morgan tonight, 9:00 eastern here on cnn. lance armstrong admitted to using this whole cocktail of drugs throughout his cycling
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i almost justified because of -- because of my history, obviously with testicular cancer and losing but surely -- >> want to talk more about this drug cocktail with the man who founded first lab to ever test professional athletes, including armstrong here for drug use. don catlin joins me from los angeles. welcome. i'm going to get to lance in a moment. for the noncycling, nonelite athletes among us here, this is an education for us. in terms of all the drugs that are thrown out as part of this cocktail, which is the worst one and how does it exactly help one's performance? >> epo, is probably one of the most important drugs ever created. if you have cancer or kidney disease, chances are in your lifetime you'll be treated with epo. and the reason is because the epo migrates to the bone marrow
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and it turns on the cells and the cells make red cells and the red cells carry oxygen and the oxygen circulates to the muscles, and oxygen is the fuel that muscles need. so if you're sick, and you're ill, and you need epo, epo is a life saver. on the other hand, if you're a cyclist, it can really boost your performance by taking more oxygen and delivering it to your cells. >> okay, so this is this epo that now everyone is talking about, but i want to ask you because lance armstrong, he admits to doping back in the '90s. this was before his cancer diagnosis. and, again, -- could that contribute to what he had, which was testicular cancer?
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>> it's possible. we don't know the details of his medical history. i don't know. i don't know what he took. if he's just coming along through life, not taking it, then, no. but if he was taking it all along, in advance, it could contribute, although it is hard to prove exactly how it contributed. it could be. >> now, eventually he says he came clean. usada would disagree with him. when it comes to addiction, what is the difference between, say, epo or testosterone or some other drug here that he used and, say, cocaine? >> cocaine is a true addictive drug. you got to have it to stay alive and feel good. epo you don't have to have it. you can stop anytime, you're not going to go through withdraw. but if you want to keep up the high level of performance, you want to keep it up. and in that sense you might call it addicting.
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really not an addictive drug like cocaine. >> don catlin, thank you so much, talking about the drugs he says he used through the years. more than 4 million people, we now have the number, more than 4 million people watched lance armstrong's confession on oprah. how did she do in the interview? did armstrong help or hurt his image by coming clean? we're talking about that just ahead.
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oprah winfrey called this the biggest interview of her life in terms of perhaps
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exposure. she was right. now that the ratings are in, own just released that 4.3 million people watched her interview. keep in mind, this is just part one interview with lance armstrong. how did the tv veteran handle the most watched weekly broadcast ever for her network? lauren ashburn, editor in chief of "the daily down low." i thought oprah winfrey was phenomenal. what did you think? >> oprah. she's back. >> oprah! amazing. >> she delivered. i was so happy to see her once i finally found the channel on my 500 channels. that's the only problem here. but she really started with these yes/no questions. let's put it to him, did you do it, didn't you? and make him answer the yes/no questions. >> we have that clip, in case you didn't watch. let's roll that clip. yes/no. >> yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance
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your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no, was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> did you ever use any other banned substances like testosterone, cortisone, or human growth hormone? >> yes. >> yes or no, in all seven of your tour de france victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? >> yes. >> got the clear answers there. clearly she also did her homework and pressed him. she pressed him. >> she did. but she followed up by asking me how do you feel about this, and what were you thinking? more like what were you thinking when you did this and how could you possibly think that was okay? and so that is what people go to
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the oprah confessional for. they go to have their souls, you know, absolved and their sins absolved rather and they need that. however, it did not work. >> i was about to ask not work >> i was going to ask you, is lance armstrong's soul be a solved? >> no. >> and here is why. crisis communicators will teach you 101, that you have to fall down really hard and be trampled on before you can ask for forgiveness and that didn't happen here. i put that out on to facebook and said, okay, everybody, what do you think? do you feel better about him? do you feel worse? he's a thug. he's a liar. i don't ever want to hear from him again. and then one of my favorites was actually saying that he -- here it is. he was a doped up narcissist athletic conman. he worked himself up into mental illness. from lance armstrong's point of
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view, he thought that going on oprah would save him. it didn't. >> but here's the but. let me just say this is one part. tonight is an entire other part of it. what, if anything, does lance armstrong have to do to rebuild at least a sliver of his believe ability? >> you have to see it. a lot of people i talked to only saw the clip and i don't think that gives you enough of the flavor. i fast forwarded through a little bit but i did almost watch the whole thing. you need to see that feeling, that feeling in his eyes, sort of the pain. it felt to me like he was reflecting what people had said to him he should say and what he should feel. i didn't -- i just didn't get it and i think oprah, if anybody can pull it out of anybody, it's oprah. and she wasn't even able to do it.
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>> lauren ashburn, thank you. just final thoughts here -- and this is just one of the stories that everyone is talking about. they are talking about it in line at starbucks and the cafeteria. >> i've been looking all over facebook and your colleague, josh levs said, two major reasons this story matters. one, up don't trash innocent people, bully them, and deserve admiration. and, two, i think this is the lesson. i want my kids and all kids to know that being good and have them do unto others is what is important, being famous isn't. >> on that, be right back. right in the old bucket. good toss! see that's much better! that was good. you had your shoulder pointed, you kept your eyes on your target. let's do it again -- watch me. just like that one... [ male announcer ] the durability of the volkswagen passat. pass down something he will be grateful for. good arm.
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this case to write the checks to pay the bills that are already incurred by your democratically elected congress. the way you would if you are a little short on your monthly bills. refinancing a little bit. that will get us through maybe mid-february to early march. once that stops working, the treasury needs to rely on the cash that it has on hand and the revenue that comes in from taxes. problem is, there isn't that much cash on hand or enough money coming in on most days to cover the expenses. if there were, we wouldn't have a deficit. let me give you an example. february 15th. i choose that day because that might be the day. might be a little early but it might be the day that we stop being able to mess things around. okay. the federal government on that day will take in an estimated $9 billion in revenues. again, that is mostly taxes.
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on the same day, $52 million will need to be paid out. we've got a shortfall of $43 billion. they need to prioritize bills on that day. they can put off others. we're not entirely sure that prioritizing payments is legal but that's probably what they will have to do. the treasury could wait until it has enough revenue on hand to cover one full day's payments and means all the bills would be paid late and we know how that storts starts to look. johnny isakson is a member of the senate finance committee. senator, thank you for being with us. i wanted to talk with you for quite some time. you have an extensive, extensive business background. and you can agree that deciding to pay some bills but not others while you wait to scrape up enough cash to make payments isn't a sustainable way of doing business. would you agree with that? >> no question about it.
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that is all wrong. you're exactly right. >> what are the principles that you stand for and many in the republican party agree with and some in the democratic party, that we do have to deal with our spending. how do you square that with this very specific debt ceiling problem that we have, that we have financial obligations that we've already made that need to be paid and we have a second debate going on about how we should spend our money? >> basically, ali, we have 100% leveraged. $16.5 trillion in debt. if we continue to borrow and spend beyond our limit, we're going to compound that debt and deficit and be on an us sustainable course for us to survive. we're at a point, we need to take the one less traveled and make all the difference. we're going to have to put our talking points on and leave them outside of the room. >> yes.
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>> sit down at the table, prioritize our spending, act like a business person would have to act and every family member has to act and we're going to get our house in order. we don't do that, we're going to be a deader state. >> you want to get business done. you want to get a budget. can can we not separate these things out? i know there are a lot of people who take the debt ceiling off the table and increase it and you lose your leverage. republicans lose your leverage. and the conversation that you'd like to have. right now, politics is standing in the way of good economics. >> congress believes solution is the way to a problem. we have two points we can leverage. one, you're right, the debt ceiling and the cr that becomes due on march 27th. the cr might be a better place to use that leverage. one place or another, we need to decide that both sides need to come to the table of commonsense and put america on a better course to economics. >> thank you for being with me. >> thank you. >> for more, tune in to